Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Anders Behring Breivik Trial - Thursday June 21 (Day 42)

12:05 The court is set.

Anders Behring Breivik Court Transcript 2012-06-21 Live Report

Today Engh and Holden will give their closing arguments to the court.



Engh makes a little speech, claims Breivik's victims were random and as such the entire nation has been traumatized. She mentions the four conditions required for someone to end up in prison 1) Perform a criminal act 2) There must be no necessity or self-defense 3) There must be subjective guilt 4) The subject must be sane.

Engh says she refuses to address condition #2, not like she has to as it's obviously a show trial. Instead she begins describing the events as hypothesized in the discredited first psychiatric report that reasons that Breivik suffers from paranoid schizophrenia. She doesn't stress mental illness, her main goal seems to be to discredit the Knights Templar organization.

She briefly describes the bombing of Oslo and the executions on Utoya, describing Breivik as a cold blooded monster. She tries to make sure that Breivik is credited for the two deaths by drowning and falling, thanks I guess.

She wants Breivik charged with two terrorist acts and financial liability.

13:22 Svein Holden takes over.

He starts out with some lengthy legal talk. He argues it's better to send a sane man to the madhouse than to send a mad man to prison. He also argues that if it can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Breivik is sane, legal precedent holds that he should be declared insane.

Holden claims that Breivik initially wanted to be declared insane, an obvious lie as all that Breivik said was that it provided options. I have the suspicion that the main focus of the trial was to try to get Breivik to admit that the KT does not exist.

Judge Arne Lyng asks if they considered that Breivik maintains that the KT is an existing organization with sleeper cells in place to create fear among the population. Holden claims they have irrefutably disproved  that Breivik is lying, which is of course not correct. They have no idea what Breivik did in London and they have no idea what Breivik did during the evenings in Liberia. According to Eastern European sources Breivik visited a training camp in Belarus, though this hasn't been picked up by the Western European media, making it unclear if someone made this up.

Holden maintains he's convinced that Breivik is delusional about the KT, but the true intent appears to be to convince the population at large that they have nothing to fear, while it's been reported that political correctness in Norway is at an all time high.


He concludes that he wants Anders Behring Breivik sentenced to compulsory psychiatric care pursuant to Penal Code § 39, or alternatively  to the custody of a time frame of 21 years and a minimum of 10 years.

As Holden finishes his statement Commander Breivik gives the Knights Templar salute. There won't be an address by Breivik today because he's only allowed to comment on witnesses, not the prosecution.




15:01 The court is adjourned.

5 comments:

  1. You've been working hard catching up on these transcripts recently haven't you Angus?

    Appreciated ;-)

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  2. "He argues it's better to send a sane man to the madhouse than to send a mad man to prison."

    This really got me wondering when I first heard it. I don't know if Holden expands on it or not... To me it sounds absurd and ass-backwards, I couldn't make sense of it. I guess it is because they operate from the basis of eternal victimhood, where everyone can and should be fixed or healed? The default is 'you are not responsible'?

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  3. I think you've misinterpreted his argument.

    It's based on the belief that it's more cruel to punish someone who's not responsible, than to fail to punish someone who is.

    This is the basis of "beyond a reasonable doubt" which is a core feature of almost all European legal systems. It's better to let a guilty man go free than to punish an innocent man.

    The real absurdity of Holden's argument is that forcing a sane man to take psychotropic drugs IS a cruel punishment in itself. Those drugs are very, very powerful and have serious and long lasting, and in some cases permanent, side effects.

    Not to mention the fact that as Lippestad pointed out, there is a basic human right to be given the opportunity to take responsibility for your own actions.

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    1. Hmmm, I guess i'd rather punish an innocent than let the guilty go free, is that Muslimy of me?

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    2. Lol, maybe a little bit! :-)

      European culture is by far the most civilised in the world. It's one of the reasons why everyone's trying to move here.

      I think our legal systems are a major part of that.

      I know it's not perfect, but I wouldn't like to give it up or change it after 100s of years.

      Too many Europeans have fought and died for it.

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